Started by Chris L, Sep 27, 2017, 09:25 pm
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Quote from: EricMontreal37 on Sep 29, 2017, 08:22 pmI don't deny anything you say. (And, obviously, I didn't live during his peak years). That said, I think his contribution to human rights in the US is exaggerated--several (!) people on facebook have posted that without him we wouldn't have had civil *or* gay rights. Umm??? His reaction towards AIDS in the 80s was to be non-vocal, when he still had an important voice (he DID speak out against the government for ignoring the AIDS crises--some ten years after the fact). Similarly when gay marriage became a focus a few years back, he supported it--but he never was at the vanguard of supporting it.He's not a villain. But I don't think anything he did or even his attitudes were particularly heroic. That said, if he helped teach you to be liberal, than he deserves a lot of my thanks.
Quote from: EricMontreal37 on Sep 29, 2017, 09:33 pmI think his influence over all was much more positive than negative. I do think that, like with a number of public figures, over the decades he became a caricature of himself, and that hasn't helped matters (and in his case, I don't think he would blame anyone but himself.) But Playboy magazine--during the years, in particular when he was in charge, published a lot of damn good writing (including some articles on gay rights). I think I appreciate him more for that aspect (as I think you do too) than for the Playboy Bunny image of himself that he helped to created. People have been calling him a "pimp"--I think that's at the least too simplistic. But it's hard reading about some of the experiences in the Playboy compound with him and not seeing it as some bizarre Caligula-ish palace with everything but a horse...