The Sondheim Lyrics Chain

[KathyB]

You're still the best thing that ever has happened to me.

Bullshit.



(Just because I'm not sure if there's another "Bullshit" out there; if there is, you're welcome to it!)

[Leighton]

There's a hole in the world like a great black pit 
And it's filled with people who are filled with shit
And the vermin of the world inhabit it

[MartinG]

The only other rule I can think of is try not to use the same song in response.

Just wondering, hypothetically, if a whole phrase repeated pretty much verbatim in a song later in the same show by the same character can really be part of a different song in the spirit of this game? Just hypothetically...   

[KathyB]

The only other rule I can think of is try not to use the same song in response.

Just wondering, hypothetically, if a whole phrase repeated pretty much verbatim in a song later in the same show by the same character can really be part of a different song in the spirit of this game? Just hypothetically...    

I don't know. I'm hypothetically confused. Is the melody the same? I'm specifically thinking of the various parts of different songs ("Poor Thing," "A Little Priest," etc.) used/quoted in the final sequence of Sweeney Todd, and thinking that I've always personally considered them to be different songs, even though I know and recognize where the parts come from. But all the various "Ballads of Sweeney Todd" that are used throughout the show with different lyrics each time are the same song to me.
Does anyone else have an opinion? @Bobster ?

[MartinG]

Of course it's entirely possible @Leighton has a different inhabit in mind but I'm blowed if I can find it!

[Bobster]

Aaaaaaaa.  

Very shady and grey area here.  The three lines @Leighton quotes are parts of 2 songs, a leitmotiv if you will.  The tune is the same in both places and they are not what the songs are titled.

Since it is the same tune (albeit in different keys) with the same lyrics in both places, I would at first vote "no".

And yet.....  

The leitmotiv in "No Place Like London" ends the song while its use in "Epiphany" is in the middle and there are later lyrics.

Is that enough to vote "yes"?

There needs to be more discussion.  

Oh @Leighton...did you have another inhabit?

[valmont]

For the purposes of this game, I vote that a lyric that's part of a recurring leitmotif can not be answered by another appearance in the same show, even if contained in a song with a different title.  If I leave "roses" from "Everything's Coming Up Roses", you can't answer it with the recurrence of that line from "Rose's Turn".

[KathyB]

For the purposes of this game, I vote that a lyric that's part of a recurring leitmotif can not be answered by another appearance in the same show, even if contained in a song with a different title.  If I leave "roses" from "Everything's Coming Up Roses", you can't answer it with the recurrence of that line from "Rose's Turn".

I can get behind this very easily.

[scenicdesign71]

For the purposes of this game, I vote that a lyric that's part of a recurring leitmotif can not be answered by another appearance in the same show, even if contained in a song with a different title.  If I leave "roses" from "Everything's Coming Up Roses", you can't answer it with the recurrence of that line from "Rose's Turn".

I can get behind this very easily.

Me too.

[Leighton]

I have no other inhabit!

I can easily use world instead, which should make things a little easier?

[scenicdesign71]

It's our time, breathe it in:
Worlds to change, and worlds to win.
Our turn -- coming through!
Me and you, pal, me and you...

Years from now,
We'll remember and we'll come back,
Buy the rooftop and hang a plaque:
"This is where we began...
Being what we can."

[KathyB]

As Mother is getting a plaque
From the Halsingburg Arts Council
Amateur Theatre Group...

[MartinG]

Face the facts, find the boy,
Join the group, stop the Giant -
Just get out of these woods.

[Bookman George]

We seem to have stalled. Time for a hint, maybe?

[MartinG]

Well it's in two shows, 39 years apart.

One is in the title of a song, but that song has since departed from the current incarnation.

The other song title contains an apostrophe.

That should assist